Episode 172 - Dan Foody

Why 88% of Agent Conversations Never Make it to the CRM

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Dan Foody, CEO and co-founder of Cloze, shares his journey from a master’s in electrical engineering at Cornell to becoming a leader in long-term relationship software, initially serving lawyers and ministers. His entry into real estate in 2019 led to a stark realization about agent efficiency: nearly 88% of conversations agents have never make it into their database. Furthermore, only about a third of the contacts in a typical CRM have been contacted within the last year.

Dan attributes this failure to a fundamental flaw in traditional CRM design, which forces the agent to manually enter data. Cloze solves this by mining communication history (email, phone, text, WhatsApp) to create a comprehensive “shadow view” of every contact in an agent’s extended network, ready for immediate action.

He warns agents about the crucial concept of the “five-day window”: if the average sphere agent contacts their people every ten days, Zillow has a five-day gap in which to identify a potential buyer/seller and sell the lead back to the agent. To counter this, communication must be frequent and personalized. A simple, empathetic text has shown a conversion rate 200 times better than a generic newsletter.

Dan sees the future of the CRM in AI-driven personalization. AI’s core role is to identify what is important to a customer in the moment—be it a life event or a property issue—allowing the agent to reach out with topical, relevant content, which is a massive advantage over the “nurture spam” of institutional competitors like Rocket.

On the competition, Dan views Zillow and Rocket’s “closed ecosystem” attempts as insidious but beatable. His final advice is that the most critical, sustainable differentiator for any agent or brokerage is their personal relationship data. The highest defense against competition is maximizing that human relationship, which technology must facilitate by removing complexity and constantly reminding the agent of opportunities. Agents should also be aware that they retain 100% control over their Cloze data; if they leave a brokerage, they keep their database.

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